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Sarvos, Neo Sarvos, and the "Kill Switch"

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:21 am
by kranix
So with the latest drop bringing back memories of Tracker, it's led me to wonder about the Neo Sarvos suit.

Here's what we know about the old Sarvos program, courtesy of this post:

The Blog wrote:Tracker was awakened during the initial development of the Sarvos Program, and served as the main experimental prototype for the duration of the project's early life cycle.

Unknown to the majority of Travelers that are granted the rank of Sarvos, an inhibitor mechanism is imbedded within the core of the Sarvos armor, which acts as a kill switch in the event a Sarvos goes rogue or defies its orders. The primary reason behind the genesis of the Sarvos Program was to gain absolute control of the strongest Travelers- by tempting them with even greater power. The secret price of this advancement is only realized after it's too late to turn back.

The only known Sarvos that has discovered a way to directly override this effect is Tracker.


And then we received this bit of information about the Glyarmor and the Neo Sarvos:

The Blog wrote:However, not all the children of the Delphi wish for war and conquest. From a glimmering star far beyond reach, emissaries from a mysterious race called the Varteryx appear before Glyaxia Command, led to the Capital Planet Metran by the enigmatic Traveler know as Hades. Benevolent creatures not unlike their creators, the Varteryx share their advanced discoveries with Glyaxia Command in an effort to balance the scales against their aggressive brethren, the Armorvors and Neo Granthans.

Joining forces with the most advanced thinkers on Metran, the Varteryx and Glyaxia Command unite to create the Glyarmor aboard Hades' Block Base Cerberus. Greatly augmenting a user's natural abilities through a psychic fusion to the armor itself, the Glyarmor also serves as a direct countermeasure to Black Core technology.

Employed by the Elite Enforcer Units of Glyaxia Command, select Travelers meld with the newly developed Glyarmor to evolve into a previously unseen Neo Sarvos form.


But here's the question: does the Neo Sarvos form still have the kill switch? The Varteryx may be beneficent, but Glyaxia Command has been underhanded before. Would they risk letting their most powerful assets be fully independent? Or are the Varteryx too benevolent to allow such a deadly method of control?

What do you all think?

Re: Sarvos, Neo Sarvos, and the "Kill Switch"

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:06 pm
by Witchwitchwitch
I have more questions than any informed opinion.

Are all soldiers of Glyaxia clones? Meaning, is every Traveler & Glyan just birthed from a vat like the Protoclones? If so, are the Delphi the ones behind Glyaxia command (I was under the impression that the Delphi created the Travlers), or are the inmates running the asylum?

With my limited understanding of Glyaxia's motivations (and for that matter most militaristic complexes), I'd assume that they'd never allow something so powerful as the Glyarmor to be used without a failsafe in place.

Re: Sarvos, Neo Sarvos, and the "Kill Switch"

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:07 pm
by AutoDecept
Witchwitchwitch wrote:Are all soldiers of Glyaxia clones? Meaning, is every Traveler & Glyan just birthed from a vat like the Protoclones? If so, are the Delphi the ones behind Glyaxia command (I was under the impression that the Delphi created the Travlers), or are the inmates running the asylum?


Not an expert, but I don't think the fiction ever established Glyaxia's Travelers and Glyans as having any kind of artificial origin; I would assume they're just regular members of their species. I'm also pretty sure that the Delphi haven't been shown having any direct affiliation with Glyaxia Command.

As far as the Neo Sarvos kill switch is concerned, this is an idea I came up with: Glyaxia pushed for one, the Varteryx opposed, and Glyaxia ended up initially backing down in order to get the Glyarmor project completed. Because of this, the earliest Neo Sarvos suits created at Block Base Cerberus (including the Hades Force armor) do not have the kill switch. However, once the project was finished and the Varteryx started working on other things (like decoding Argen's files), Glyaxia had the kill switch secretly reinserted into the design just before it reached mass production, and as a result all subsequent Neo Sarvos suits (such as the ones worn by the EMP) do have the switch.

Re: Sarvos, Neo Sarvos, and the "Kill Switch"

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:25 pm
by ThatGuyNamedJoe
AutoDecept wrote:
Witchwitchwitch wrote:Are all soldiers of Glyaxia clones? Meaning, is every Traveler & Glyan just birthed from a vat like the Protoclones? If so, are the Delphi the ones behind Glyaxia command (I was under the impression that the Delphi created the Travlers), or are the inmates running the asylum?


Not an expert, but I don't think the fiction ever established Glyaxia's Travelers and Glyans as having any kind of artificial origin; I would assume they're just regular members of their species. I'm also pretty sure that the Delphi haven't been shown having any direct affiliation with Glyaxia Command.

As far as the Neo Sarvos kill switch is concerned, this is an idea I came up with: Glyaxia pushed for one, the Varteryx opposed, and Glyaxia ended up initially backing down in order to get the Glyarmor project completed. Because of this, the earliest Neo Sarvos suits created at Block Base Cerberus (including the Hades Force armor) do not have the kill switch. However, once the project was finished and the Varteryx started working on other things (like decoding Argen's files), Glyaxia had the kill switch secretly reinserted into the design just before it reached mass production, and as a result all subsequent Neo Sarvos suits (such as the ones worn by the EMP) do have the switch.


In one of the flash games, it was implied that the Dark Traveler was some sort of experiment, given the reaction of some of the characters to "it's" powers.

Re: Sarvos, Neo Sarvos, and the "Kill Switch"

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:28 pm
by AutoDecept
ThatGuyNamedJoe wrote:In one of the flash games, it was implied that the Dark Traveler was some sort of experiment, given the reaction of some of the characters to "it's" powers.


The Dark Traveler is an exception, yeah. I was thinking more of the non-dark Travelers and Sarvos that seem to make up a large portion of Glyaxia's membership; I don't recall those ever being identified as clones or anything else along those lines.

Re: Sarvos, Neo Sarvos, and the "Kill Switch"

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:39 pm
by TJOmega
We know the Varteryx gave the tech for the Glyarmor to Glyaxia to fight off Argen's forces, that doesn't mean the Varteryx created the armor anyone is wearing though. I would say Neo Sarvos, regardless of time frame, has the kill switch. Anything released as a Varteryx would not. The one exception I would assume is Hades and the armor he fought Argen in, but that's dependent on if he got it before or after striking the deal with Glyaxia. The kill switch also makes me curious about things like the Sarvos who were part of the Council of Travelers and Viyer, who made the Armodocs and Protoclones and seems to be enacting his own schemes. Either Glyaxis is pretty lenient/oblivious (not likely), they want to see what the rogues manage to accomplish, or Tracker's not the only one to shut the switch off.

Re: Sarvos, Neo Sarvos, and the "Kill Switch"

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:58 am
by NoPaintRequired
I don't think Sarvos and Neo Sarvos are permanent forms. If we look at Hades throughout the series: he's had full Pheyden armor, full Sarvos armor, Exillis chest and Pheyden waist, Sarvos chest and Pheyden waist, and even sporting Glyarmor last we saw him. There's also Glyarmor Andromeda, a Pheyden type that is wearing Glyarmor. This pushes the idea to me that for the most part, these are armor sets, but armor sets with special rules.

Sarvors armor needs to meld with the wearer, which enhances the users abilities as long as it was in the name of Glyaxia. If not, the armor would have be a limiter and it's already melded with your being, forcing you to serve under Glyaxia whether you choose to do so.

Neo Sarvos armor on the other hand, are reserved for the loyal and elite for dangerous missions and cannot simply be left on. Glyarmor relies on psychic fusion for their enhanced abilities, and while there's not much evidence for it, I believe Travelers do have down time to recuperate their body and mind.

But to answer Kranix's question, Neo Sarvo/Glyarmor doesn't have a kill switch. Unlike Sarvors armor which was built, possibly rebuilt, to trap a user, Glyarmor was made to fight off a Villser powered being. Built possibly in a rush and not thinking it wouldn't fall into the wrong hands. The only thing I have to support this idea is Glyarmor Oni, a character that seemed to come out of nowhere but is wearing some of the most important technology in the galaxy. I believe Glyarmor Oni is a power hungry monster who saw a chance and took Glyarmor, and Glyaxia are preoccupied to stop him.

Re: Sarvos, Neo Sarvos, and the "Kill Switch"

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:17 pm
by akum6n
I heard it's ok if you don't wear the helmet.

No, but seriously, I wasn't given the impression that Glyarmor and Neo Sarvos are necessarily coextensive. If you read Matt's post closely, the Traveler must further meld with the Glyarmor to become a Neo Sarvos. So it seems that it would be possible to equip the Glyarmor without becoming a Neo Sarvos. As far as past characters that wore parts of the Sarvos armor, I think that may have been a clever reuse of parts more than anything else.

I still wonder whether the Neo Sarvos or Sarvos process is reversible. Also, is it possible for a Sarvos to 'upgrade' to a Neo Sarvos? (If not, that would seem a waste as Sarvos were supposed to be the most powerful Travelers.)

To answer the original question, I think the Neo Sarvos are also controlled by an inhibitor mechanism, although the Glyarmor itself does not necessarily require this. If the Neo Sarvos upgrade is a separate process from the Glyarmor, I don't see why Glyaxia Command wouldn't continue to use the inhibitor in that process.

AutoDecept wrote:
Witchwitchwitch wrote:Are all soldiers of Glyaxia clones? Meaning, is every Traveler & Glyan just birthed from a vat like the Protoclones? If so, are the Delphi the ones behind Glyaxia command (I was under the impression that the Delphi created the Travlers), or are the inmates running the asylum?


Not an expert, but I don't think the fiction ever established Glyaxia's Travelers and Glyans as having any kind of artificial origin; I would assume they're just regular members of their species. I'm also pretty sure that the Delphi haven't been shown having any direct affiliation with Glyaxia Command.

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Actually, I think the clone theory is probably the most likely. Travelers seem to be physically very similar to one another. There is no distinction between female and male Travelers of which I'm aware (as there is for the Delphi), or a method for reproduction for that matter. We don't seem to see any 'newborn' Travelers appear. Since they appear to have infinite lifespans, it seems possible that all of those Travelers were created in a huge batch long ago. (Personally, I compare this to the clone army from Star Wars.)

However, I don't think that Travelers were created by the Delphi; it seems more like they are sibling races. The Delphi mention their 'masters' and I think it is this group that created both Delphi and (Pheyden) Travelers. In fact, Matt refers to the Delphi at one point as the 'First Travelers'. So perhaps Delphi are generation 1 and the Pheyden-type Travelers are generation 2.

Re: Sarvos, Neo Sarvos, and the "Kill Switch"

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:19 pm
by josh
Regarding Council of Travelers and Sarvos armor, I just always figured Tracker was helping them out, as he likely had any other Sarvos that may be working against Glyaxia Command, covertly or not.

Also, as to the clone issue, this may or may not help (probably more not, but it seemed topical), from https://onelldesign.blogspot.com/2018/01/thank-you.html:
Story-wise, the Glyaxia Rangers also loop into our old Gear's Edge arc, as Gear's parents were affiliated with an early incarnation of their unit (Glyan Rangers) before things went south for Gear's family.